陈牧：今淮北略定，然李零肆虐彭城，先生有何良策？</p>
萧凡：臣以为，李零非有大志，但聚众为乱耳，今急之则屯聚为寇，缓之则自散，散而击之，无不克矣。</p>
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人谨受教。</p>
chenu：today，thenorthofthehuairiverisbasicallycal，butlizerodisturbedpengcheng，sir，whatagoodidea？</p>
xiaofan:idon‘tthklizerohasbigabitionsbutjtordaryrebellions，ifthereisarhtobesie，theywillgathertoresist，ifyolowdownilitaryoperations，theywillbechaoticandscattered，atthisti，ifyouattacktheaga，youwilldefitelysueed。</p>
chenu:sirisright，irespectfullyaeptyourteachgs。</p>
陈牧：《礼》云，避尊者讳，自寡人君临以来，天下皆避吾讳，甚为不便，伤我赤子之心，为之奈何？先生教我。</p>
萧凡：臣以为，前古帝王，亦不生讳其名，惟近代诸帝，妄为节制，特令生避其讳，理非通允，宜有改张，今宜依据礼典，务从简约，仰效先哲，垂法将来，其官号人名，及公私文籍，不须避讳。</p>
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人受教矣。</p>
chenu：theliturgy，itisnecessarytoavoidthenaoftheelder，sceicaower，thewholeworldhasavoidedyna，thisisverynvenientandakesthepeoplesad，whattodo？sirtaught。</p>
xiaofan:ithkthatthepastkgsdidnotasktoavoidtheirnas，ianlyoderntisthatkgsbegantoletthepeopleavoidtheirnas，itisunreanablethatthgshouldchan，itshouldnowbesiplifiedaordgtothedeofetietteasbefore，nasgovernntofficialsandofficialbooksaldonotneedtobeevaded，andethisasaodelforfuturenerations。</p>
chenu:sirisright，iaeptyourteachgs。</p>
陈牧：寡人欲安天下，当以何为本，先生教我。</p>
萧凡：臣以为，凡事皆须务本，国以人为本，人以衣食为本，凡营衣食，以不失时为本，夫不失时者，在人君简静乃可致耳，若兵戈屡动，土木不息，而欲不夺农时，其可得乎？</p>
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人谨受教。</p>
chenu：iwanttosettletheworld，whatshouldbethefoundation，sirtaught。</p>
xiaofan:ithkeverythghastobefundantal，thestatetakesthepeopleasitsfoundationandthepeopletakefoodandclothgasthefoundation，aesstoclothesandfoodisbasedonfarg，thekghanlysipletranilityasnottodisturbagriculturalti，ifawariswadandnstructioniscarriedout，thenagriculturaltiwillbeterrupted。</p>
chenu:sirisright，irespectfullyaeptyourteachgs。</p>
陈牧：中原士民言寡人为政如何？请先生直言。</p>
萧凡：臣闻其言大王用法太峻。</p>
陈牧：今梁地初定，寡人不得不为之尔，君不见，吴起无恩而楚强，商鞅严刑而秦兴乎？</p>
萧凡：臣以为，吴起丧其身，商鞅亡其家，皆残酷之致也，大王方开建大业，景行尧、舜，犹惧不济，乃慕起、鞅之为治，岂此中原士女所望哉？</p>
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人知过矣。</p>
chenu：howdothepeopleofthecentralpsevaatesceienteredpolitics，pleasesirtellbntly。</p>
xiaofan:iheardthesayyou‘repowertooharsh。</p>
chenu:nowthatliangguohasjtbeenpacified，ihavetodothis，thestateofchuandthestateofqbecapowerfulbecaeoftheharshnesfthew，doesn‘tsirknow？</p>
xiaofan：ithkharshwswillkillthe，yohouldlearnfrowisekgswhenyoucreateagreatcae，notlikethechuandqstates，thisisnohatthepeopleofthecentralpswant。</p>
chenu：sirwasright，iwaswrong。</p>
陈牧：寡人欲风化天下，先生何以教我。</p>
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