陈牧：寡人欲知，国之存亡所系何哉？先生教我。</p>
萧凡：臣以为，国之所以存者，得道也；所以亡者，理塞也。故得生道者，虽小必大；有亡征者，虽成必败。国之亡也，大不足恃；道之行也，小不可轻。故存在得道，不在于小；亡在失道，不在于大。故乱国之主，务于广地，而不务于仁义；务于高位，而不务于道德。是舍其所以存，而造其所以亡也。</p>
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人受教矣。</p>
chenu：iwanttoknowwhatattersabouttheriseandfallofanation，sirtaught。</p>
xiaofan：ithk，thenationthrivesbecaeitupholdsjtice，thereanwhytheuntryisgogerishisbecaeitisnolonrjt，sistonjtice，eveniftheuntryissall，iillbeestrong，withoutupholdgjtice，eveniftheuntryisstrong，iilldecle，theriseandfallofauntrydoesnotdependonitssize，buhetheritupholdsjtice，thefatgkgwasbyexpandghisterritoryratherthanprootgbenevolence，theyarebyfightgforpowersteadofcultivatgtheirvirtues，theygaveupjticeandchosedeath。</p>
chenu:sirisright，iaeptyourteachgs。</p>
陈牧：太祖吏政尚严切，尚书决事，率近于重，吾欲革之，然孝子不改父之道，寡人当如何处之，先生教我。</p>
萧凡：臣以为，先王之政，赏不僣，刑不滥。与其不得已，宁僣无滥。往者断狱严明，所以威惩奸佞，时势然也，奸佞既平，必宜济之以宽。大王即位，率由此义，而有司未悉奉承，犹尚深刻。夫为政犹张琴瑟，大弦急者小弦绝。大王宜隆先王之道，荡涤烦苛之法，轻薄棰楚以济群生，全广至德以奉天心，苟利于民，何不革之，显荣祖宗，此乃大孝也。</p>
陈牧：先生之言甚善，寡人谨受教。</p>
chenu：thefirsteperorruledtheuntryverystrictly，theisteralhandledgovernntaffairsharshly，iwanttochanthissituation，butiaafraidthatitisnotfilialpiety，whataigogtodo？sirtaught。</p>
xiaofan：ithk，theholykggovernstheuntry，anddoesnotdiscriatelyrewardorpunish，itisbettertochoosearewardthanunishdiscriately，previoly，thewwasharshbecaeitpunishedevil，nowthattheworldhassettleddown，thewshouldbeslightlyorerexed，sceyoubecakg，youhaveaskedforthis，buttheisterdidnotdowhatyouaskedfor，andiasstillharsh，governgauntryislikepygthestrgs，ifthestrgsaretootightandurnt，iillbreak，yohouldfollowtheexapleoftheholykggoverngtheuntry，</p>
adjtharshwsandreducepenaltiestoakepeoplefortable，itisnecessarytoplywiththewillofthepeople，ifitisgoodforthepeople，whycan‘titbechand？itisgreatfilialpietytoaketheancestorsreceiverespectandrebrance。</p>
chenu:sirisright，irespectfullyaeptyourteachgs。</p>
陈牧：今朴政守孤城，力竭而退，寡人当如何处之？先生教我。</p>
萧凡：臣以为，其以单兵守孤城，当契丹万余之众，连月逾年，心力困尽，凿山为井，煮靴为粮，前后杀伤北蛮数以千计，卒全忠勇，不为大晋耻，且契丹亦退，宜蒙显爵，以厉将帅。</p>
陈牧：先生之言是也，寡人谨受教。</p>
chenu：nowpiaozhengdefendedtheitedcity，andeventuallyretreatedbecaeofckofstrength，howshouldihandlethis？sirtaught。</p>
xiaofan：ithk，hedefendedthecitywithveryfewtroopsandresistedorethan10，000khitanldiersfororethanayear，theyedupalltheirenergyandstrengthandkilledthoandfeneiestheabsenceofwaterandfood，hisloyaltyandbraverydidnotsulttheuntry，oreover，thekhitanalretreated，yohouldgivehiaprootiontootivatethewholeary。</p>
chenu:sirisright，irespectfullyaeptyourteachgs。</p>
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